New Boat Owner(restoration project)

[TheRichMahogany]

Hello, My name is Andrew from Ithaca NY (Cayuga Lake) and I just purchased an old wooden boat for which I have little information on. I know its late 50's or early sixties, and has the line of Nautalloy's Aquabird hardware (steering wheel/horn) on it. I was told it was a knock off of a Penn Yan. Its 15 ft in length and its in relatively good condition for how old it is, and I believe the outbaord engine is the original. So this year i'm giving it a workman style paint job on the hull and then refinishing the wood in the boat. I'd like to get as much information on this boat as I can but Google apparently isn't sufficient enough for job. Also, I'm searching for info on the Nautalloy hardware. I've been told its pretty rare. Here are some pics. My hope is someone out there will recognize this style of boat and give me some info! Thanks in advance.
http://picasaweb.google.com/andy.ocmd/TheBoat?authkey=Gv1sRgCP3-z4_jpIuQ6wE&feat=directlink

Andrew

[Lootas1]

Welcome to the club Andrew. Looks like you are off to a great start on your project boat. Most of our club members are on the West Coast but some are so knowledgeable that perhaps they'll be able to help with the history of your boat. We sure have experts on both wood and fiberglass repair and painting.

[Steve_Kiesel]

Welcome Andrew. Check out this website. Go to the Galleries and look at the wood boats section. You might find one similar to yours there. Good luck with the search.

http://www.theclassicboathouse.com/

[Mark_Denis]

Great looking project Andrew! It's nice to see more interest from our friends on the east coast. Welcome!

[TheRichMahogany]

There is a ton of boats on the Classic Boats site. I found a few that came close but its hard to tell if they are the same company. I also found a website for antique boats of the finger lakes region and found one that comes pretty close. http://www.flbm.org/angler_runabout.htm. Should I move this topic to a different category to get more responses?

Thanks Again!

Just finished the second coat on the bright side yesterday. Almost ready to flip her back over and start sanding the topside.

[Tim McCrain]

Andrew,

Welcome to the club! Since you're working on the restoration of your boat, I'll move this thread to the Restoration forum, where it may get more exposure than in the "Introduce Yourself" forum. Be sure to post in-progress photos, everyone loves photos!

A lot of our members don't check in every day, so two days isn't very long to wait for a response to a question here. Also, a lot of folks will read but not reply if they don't have any information to share.

A couple of tips to increase your chances of gaining info on your boat ... I would recommend posting photos in your forum posts instead of including a link to an outside photo hosting site, lots of folks will skip those and not go look at the photos but will see them if you include them in your post. Also, feel free to create yourself a photo album here, we have lots of visitors who don't participate in the forums but come to browse the photo galleries and albums. If you have lots of photos of your boat and mention that you're in need of info you might get a response that way.

Thanks!

Tim

[Tim_Mattson]

Andrew,
I re-did a 1967 14` Glass Trailorboat that had the Nautalloy Wheel ,and the matching Zamak chrome trim......I found a missing Cleat for the middle bow that had the Nautalloy casting just by chance.
The cleat had the Delta shape and appeared to be floating on air as it has feet that angled outward for mounting.
May have to look wide and far to find what you need but realize glass and wood may have the same trincats adorning them.
TimM
Seattle

[TheRichMahogany]

Just finished the last coat of paint on the bright side and put the freshly cleaned keel guards back on. I didn't even know they were gold in color! Amazing what a little sanding can do.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_dRXQUm5Cyso/S-JFwO-RWhI/AAAAAAAAB28/UOWs5n-jZqY/s512/PICT0050.jpg

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_dRXQUm5Cyso/S-JF3rNwFLI/AAAAAAAAB20/hPEnparev_8/s640/PICT0051.jpg

Thanks for the info on the hardware. I have all the original but I thought if I could find the manufacturer of the original hardware I could buy bright shiny new ones. Well I found the original manufacturer. And it WAS only an hour from where Live. Unfortunatly they have been out of business since before I was born. So it looks like I'll be trying to shine up the original!

[bham-rick]

Post some pictures of the original hardware . We all have pieces of old hardware that has been picked up along the road. I have a bunch on E-bay right now. We may have some of what you need ??

[TheRichMahogany]

Not sure why these pictures arn't showing up.

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/PRnU9g0IdCSpYGk3j2PEd99VqxDqsIGz19ykEc-AC64?feat=directlink

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/pfJCvCUQAsal3Tw02P_MHd9VqxDqsIGz19ykEc-AC64?feat=directlink

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/JU8yUhGDtRXrMWPmkCo1it9VqxDqsIGz19ykEc-AC64?feat=directlink

[TheRichMahogany]

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_dRXQUm5Cyso/S-i76chdHfI/AAAAAAAAB5g/3A0f56aipDs/s512/PICT0053.jpg

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_dRXQUm5Cyso/S-i8Im5ZveI/AAAAAAAAB5U/CmIXDh3pjck/s512/PICT0054.jpg

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_dRXQUm5Cyso/S-i8OkwZqbI/AAAAAAAAB5k/XModgA60dj8/s512/PICT0055.jpg

You can also view the progress here:
http://picasaweb.google.com/andy.ocmd/TheBoat?authkey=Gv1sRgCP3-z4_jpIuQ6wE#

[bham-rick]

Nice job on the boat, What pre stain did you use ? Benite ? Great job on the wood work !

[TheRichMahogany]

Nice job on the boat, What pre stain did you use ? Benite ? Great job on the wood work !

I haven't used any pre stain yet, and that poses the question of should I or shouldn't I use one. And by pre stain do you mean wood brightener? I believe I used the term pre stain in my photo, and what I meant by that is the picture was taken before any stain has been applied.

The wood seems to be in good shape, there are a few places that have a black tint to it. but I think the mahogany stain will cover those up.

The other question I have is, I like the style of boat finish where the bow has a yellow color to it. Any tips on how to achieve that look. Is it paint or stain that is being used? http://www.classicboat.com/pictures/18riv-40c-2in-classic-chris-craft.jpg this seem to obviously be paint. Below is more the look Im going for.

The more I look at some of these boats i'm realizing that it may be just bare wood that gives it a yellowish effect. http://www.classicboat.com/pictures/19-Garwood-39C-group.jpg

Any staining advice?

[TheRichMahogany]

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_dRXQUm5Cyso/S_6ziE84uNI/AAAAAAAACCE/E1rdUtzL1lo/s640/PICT0063.TIF.jpg
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_dRXQUm5Cyso/S_6zwgitKgI/AAAAAAAACCI/Le2yEYtmS1U/s640/PICT0064.TIF.jpg
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_dRXQUm5Cyso/S_6zycco_xI/AAAAAAAACCQ/h7TX-usdkOc/s640/PICT0065.TIF.jpg
This is a 223 stamp located on the bottom edge of a removable seat back for the middle bench seat. I'm hopeing it can provide a clue to what kind of boat this is.
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_dRXQUm5Cyso/S_6zyumiHtI/AAAAAAAACCY/w-6viEObOUE/s640/PICT0066.TIF.jpg

Even more Pictures Here (http://picasaweb.google.com/andy.ocmd/TheBoat?authkey=Gv1sRgCP3-z4_jpIuQ6wE&feat=directlink)

[Marty Loken (Norseboater)]

When you see the yellow king planks and covering boards on some 1950's Chris-Craft and Century inboard runabouts, it's not paint--the wood is bleached, then stained, then varnished to achieve the golden color.

We use a stain made by Daly's, a paint store in Seattle, to achieve the golden color...but mostly for headliners on the interiors of vintage cruisers. Daly's refers to it as Mustard #31.

The red/brown stains used on some of the same vintage inboard runabouts are many and varied. You can't go wrong with Interlux's Chris-Craft Red stain (or maybe they call it Chris-Craft Brown...I forget), since it approximates the color many folks are looking for when they varnish mahogany planks.

Covering boards and king planks are most often stained a darker color, sometimes an almost-blcak shade of dark brown, to contrast with the more reddish deck and topside planks. (King planks are the ones that go down the center of the deck; covering boards run along the edge of the gunwale, for those who might be confused by the terms.)

We use about a dozen different stains and dyes at the shop, depending on the shade someone wants....from extremely dark to honey-light.

- Marty

[TheRichMahogany]

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_dRXQUm5Cyso/TAaSKBN_99I/AAAAAAAACEE/02SjRmgAK5E/s640/PICT0089.jpg

Engine is on, steering cable is hooked up, and the wiring is completed but not tested, because I have no battery yet, but it looks right.

Next step is the 'ol engine in a garbage can test. I haven't done anything to the engine yet. Wanted to try to cold start it first just to see if it works. Any warnings or tips I should know before hand?

Also my tanks are 6 gallon tanks. Can some one help me with the math on proper gas : oil ratio. I believe this engine requires a 50:1. I have concluded that its 15.36 oz. of oil to 6 gallons of gas. Is this correct and if so is it alright to round it up to a pint per tank or should it be exact? Also do I have to take into account the extra pint of oil in the gas tank as far as volume is concerned or has that been considered when they made the tank?

Looking forward to your responses!

Andrew

[chuckcarey]

Andrew, Here you go. Just go by the chart on the bottle for how much oil to add to the amount of gals and look at the scale on the side to see how much you are pouring as you go. Chuck

[TheRichMahogany]

Oh good, From the bottle it appears I was right about the pint per 6 gallon tank ratio. That makes it Easy!