Uh oh. 1958 Skagit 20 Hardtop

[bruceb]

Excellent Helmar ! You went to the source. Had heard they were same as Mercs, and can assume that when they started to install in 55 must have been from 55 models. Nice.

[Helmar]

Here is what I found.

Skagit Glass Windshield, 1958, running around $250 dollars without shipping.

Make / Model	Series	Body	Notes	Year
FORD FAIRLANE		SEDAN	See Specific Apps Above	1955, 1956
FORD FAIRLANE		WAGON	See Specific Apps Above	1955, 1956
FORD FAIRLANE		HARD TOP	See Specific Apps Above	1955, 1956
MERCURY FULL SIZE MERCURY		SEDAN	70, 73, & 76 Series Codes	1955, 1956
MERCURY FULL SIZE MERCURY		WAGON	59 & 79 Series Codes	1955, 1956
MERCURY FULL SIZE MERCURY		HARD TOP	57 & 60 Series Codes	1955, 1956

http://www.dearbornclassics.com/wind...-1955-56.html#

[Helmar]

Did the research several years ago by taking a template made from butcher paper made off my 1958 20 express windshield. Took template to a car show and it fit a 1956 Ford sedan. The windshield is also same as a station wagon. Does not fit a convertible or a Crown Vic, those are shorter windshields by about 1 1/2".[ATTACH=CONFIG]14542[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]14543[/ATTACH] At first Skagit bought windshields from Ford, then realized it was less expensive to go to salvage/junk yards and buy off wrecked cars. Many were 1/2 of one car 1/2 off different car. Funny part is the labor of chasing these junked windshields must not have been calculated in to the cost issue, ha ha.

Good Score Bruce !!!!..

I can add to this. I will have to go dig them out as I think I know were they are. I grew up in my Dads wrecking yard and back in the 50's, 60's and part of the 70's, we had Interchange books made by Hollander that would tell what all interchanged with other cars or trucks.
These books are almost 4" thick and I have one from the 50's and one from the 60's.

Great....I found the book, looked it up and it says, Glass is in section 9B.....I have 9A and 9C, B is missing......
I DO remember that Mercury was the same as Ford on the full size cars.
I did find the Part Number for it 49-87385-1 and the least expensive one I found, NOT shipped, was $251 dollars.

[John Nelson]

Fairlane Victoria sedan delivery club sedan??

[John Nelson]

Lets leave Marty and Bill at home on this one Fairlane is the key here not . invintory of windows is down take out the ones tinted on top makes it even less.

[bruceb]

Did the research several years ago by taking a template made from butcher paper made off my 1958 20 express windshield. Took template to a car show and it fit a 1956 Ford sedan. The windshield is also same as a station wagon. Does not fit a convertible or a Crown Vic, those are shorter windshields by about 1 1/2".P1110722.JPGP1110725.JPG At first Skagit bought windshields from Ford, then realized it was less expensive to go to salvage/junk yards and buy off wrecked cars. Many were 1/2 of one car 1/2 off different car. Funny part is the labor of chasing these junked windshields must not have been calculated in to the cost issue, ha ha.

[Kelly]

John mentioned a different Ford windshield, but even after asking twice and talking about it, for the life of me I can't remember exactly which one it was...total brain fart.

[Helmar]

I can't thank you enough John for taking the time to stop by and help another enthusiasts. It may have not worked this time, but definitely learned from it. Now one more time, was it a Victoria or Crown Victoria or something else? My mind is mush...

Bruce that definitely looks like a lot of work and patience, but man is that one good looking transom and the diligence paid off for sure.

I will ask Marty for sure but it was a windshield that was two wide. They had them custom cut to make two and put a post in the center.

The mistake on that project was, everyone expected those windows to just fit the frames. Almost didn't fit so now I know to make the Frame fit the window.
Much easier to make the frame fit the window.

[Helmar]

I can't thank you enough John for taking the time to stop by and help another enthusiasts. It may have not worked this time, but definitely learned from it. Now one more time, was it a Victoria or Crown Victoria or something else? My mind is mush...

Bruce that definitely looks like a lot of work and patience, but man is that one good looking transom and the diligence paid off for sure.

I remember building the oven up at Island Boat Shop and because Marty wanted Nothing to do with windows, he sold it to Ed Brown so when Ed brought his boat up to me, he brought the oven too.

Even with the oven, two heat guns, it took me 4 (Four) sheets of 1/4" plex to do the windows in Bruce Drakes Bell Boy.
It was a Major chore and I also remember it took me three tries to get the radius right on the cabin windows to they would just Lay into place.
The radius in the helm wrap around windows turned out a little more easy but still it was a fight.

I have Eds windows to put in but NO frames and even with using the rubber I am afraid one big wave over the bow could punch those cabin and helm windows in. Not acceptable !
The one thing I did do is he can pump 66 gallons in 60 seconds, 33 gallons in 30 seconds and so forth with the pumps I have under the transom bucket.
Its going to look like a fire hose spraying water out each side of that boat if he ever takes water on. I might have to double check that but I went Big.

The problem with the plex is it can't touch anything or it will leave a mark. Working on that too.

SO, keep hacking at it and you will get it. Oh yeah, John does not like to give up either

[Kelly]

http://m.ebay.com/itm/Crown-Victoria...051?nav=SEARCH
Crown Victoria glass...

[Kelly]

I can't thank you enough John for taking the time to stop by and help another enthusiasts. It may have not worked this time, but definitely learned from it. Now one more time, was it a Victoria or Crown Victoria or something else? My mind is mush...

Bruce that definitely looks like a lot of work and patience, but man is that one good looking transom and the diligence paid off for sure.

[bruceb]

Great progress on the boat, Helmar and Kelly. That's pretty much what I found when I tore my transom apart, cleaned up faster than I had planned. Those multi-tools are essential in getting in close to features to remove old wood, glass.
I got all concerned that the outer hull shell might deform so I made an exoskeleton to hold the shape. Not needed, as only area that's critical is the center 18" or so where the motor bracket fits against the exterior. Just needs a straight edge clamped to that area.
In a visit to Middy back when I was doing the 14, Skip showed me how he shaped plexi. He built plywood "bucks" using 3/4 ply bulkheads placed every 4-6 inches at critical points and nailed/glued them together with a base and top plate. He knew that once the template was made off the original, that laying it out and making those bulkheads came pretty easy. Having the bucks laying around from specific boats, especially open runabouts, was easy to adapt one to fit a different brand. He must have had over a hundred bucks when I visited. Problem was they took up space !
Attached is a shot of the exoskeleton I made for 20' transom. Much like Skip's bucks, a project like this takes patience, just wish I'd known I really didn't need it...P1120931.jpgP1120930.jpg

[John Nelson]

Its a bummer that window came out bumpy. Got more plexiglass on the way home I might be able to make durable forms of fiberglass from my windows. Might have a good part no for glass 90-87385-1 not shure.

[Kelly]

What I find most interesting in the pics is the raw material where the helm/port boxes were and again where the fuel tanks were. I would think it would be harder to paint around the helm boxes than to paint the bulkhead first in its entirety. I guess it saved ounces of paint.

[Kelly]

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